Grunge is dead
Re: scena grunge di Seattle
i pearl jam hanno messo solo una foto, immagino diranno la loro con una canzone come hanno fatto con Layne Staley
ieri sera gli U2 hanno introdotto il loro concerto con black hole sun e parlato di Cornell prima di Running to Stand Still
http://doyourealize.it/say-hello-2-heav ... s-cornell/ qui in fondo un po' dei post e tweet raccolti
ieri sera gli U2 hanno introdotto il loro concerto con black hole sun e parlato di Cornell prima di Running to Stand Still
http://doyourealize.it/say-hello-2-heav ... s-cornell/ qui in fondo un po' dei post e tweet raccolti
Re: scena grunge di Seattle
insomma si sarebbe suicidato per depressione, che combatteva da tempo
la moglie, stupidamente o magari per prendersi i soldi dell'assicurazione, prova ad accusare il farmaco ansiolitico. Come se in ogni camera d'albergo ci fosse un kit fai-da-te per suicidarsi e ciò non fosse quindi un atto premeditato. È invece chiaro che si è volontariamente suicidato, cosciente o incosciente che fosse al momento del gesto.
da questo post: https://thefirsttenwords.wordpress.com/ ... you-think/ (al di là di qualche imprecisione sulle date nella prima parte che salto,
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When Weiland died of an overdose of cocaine, alcohol and MDA at the end of 2015, it felt like an echo, and not something rooted in the present. He had become the most notorious addict of them all over the years; in and out of rehab so many times we had all lost hope for him. His death was something that had been predicted so often for so long that it might as well have happened in 1997.
But Chris Cornell committed suicide on May 18, 2017, at the age of 52. He was a dad. He was a philanthropist. He was becoming an elder statesman of rock. He was a grown up. Cornell was aging gracefully, even doing that thing where some guys get better looking as they get older. He got Soundgarden back together, and they made a great new album a couple years ago. His voice still had all the power and strength it had displayed in his youth. Much like the rest of us, the world had kicked his ass a couple times, and he survived.
But now he’s gone, and goddammit, his is the death that bothers me the most. As I’ve been thinking about this, I’m realizing that it’s both a personal and a generational thing. Cornell had a long struggle with depression. As have I. As have many of you.
It’s possible that, along with grunge, Generation X’s other great gift to society is depression. I mean, of course it was here long before the Baby Boomers started re-producing, but we talk about it more than those who came before us. We talk about it as a demon or a monster. It’s a dark shadow that shows itself at any point in time without warning. It surrounds us, isolates us, and quiets us. Depression likes to blame things. We feel like shit because of mistakes we have made in life or because of the state of the world or because we aren’t perfect. Without a lot of help and a lot of work, it’s impossible to know that it really is a chemical imbalance in our brains. After twenty-plus years of trying to de-stigmatize depression, some of us still have a hard time recognizing it for what it is. And even then, it doesn’t always matter.
You might think grunge is about anger, but that’s not completely true. Yes, it can sound that way, but it’s really about depression and cynicism. Those two go hand-in-hand, along with their nasty little sister, anxiety. When the three of them get going, they just eat hope as quickly as it can be summoned. That leaves despair and despair is exhausting, not just for those who experience it, but for the people around it as well. So we keep it to ourselves because we don’t want to be a burden. And then it gets to be too much. Doesn’t matter if you’re a student, a mom, an accountant or a rock star. It doesn’t matter if you’ve written about it your entire life as a means of keeping it at bay. It doesn’t matter if the music you made about it brought in fame, respect and millions of dollars. It doesn’t matter if your entire generation has suffered from it. Depression makes you feel totally alone. You hit the breaking point, and then, like Chris Cornell, you hang yourself in the bathroom.
This wasn’t a young adult taking the easy way out because life got too hard. This wasn’t a spoiled, petulant rock star who thought that this was the best way to ensure his legend. This was a well-respected member of his community; a beloved musical hero who seemed to have it all together.
This could have been any of us. And brothers and sisters, if it’s you, don’t mess around with it. Please find some help.
Cornell is speaking to us all one last time. This isn’t something we left behind with our twenties. This isn’t something cured by age or financial security. This isn’t something you “outgrow.” If it’s allowed to fester, depression is stronger than wisdom. Depression is insidious and tenacious. Depression can get to anybody. It can make you feel like an old man at 27. It can make you feel lost as a child at 52.
Call it a senseless tragedy. Call it a second-act cautionary tale. Call it whatever you want. Just don’t blow it off as meaningless.
Rest in peace, Chris.
la moglie, stupidamente o magari per prendersi i soldi dell'assicurazione, prova ad accusare il farmaco ansiolitico. Come se in ogni camera d'albergo ci fosse un kit fai-da-te per suicidarsi e ciò non fosse quindi un atto premeditato. È invece chiaro che si è volontariamente suicidato, cosciente o incosciente che fosse al momento del gesto.
da questo post: https://thefirsttenwords.wordpress.com/ ... you-think/ (al di là di qualche imprecisione sulle date nella prima parte che salto,
...
When Weiland died of an overdose of cocaine, alcohol and MDA at the end of 2015, it felt like an echo, and not something rooted in the present. He had become the most notorious addict of them all over the years; in and out of rehab so many times we had all lost hope for him. His death was something that had been predicted so often for so long that it might as well have happened in 1997.
But Chris Cornell committed suicide on May 18, 2017, at the age of 52. He was a dad. He was a philanthropist. He was becoming an elder statesman of rock. He was a grown up. Cornell was aging gracefully, even doing that thing where some guys get better looking as they get older. He got Soundgarden back together, and they made a great new album a couple years ago. His voice still had all the power and strength it had displayed in his youth. Much like the rest of us, the world had kicked his ass a couple times, and he survived.
But now he’s gone, and goddammit, his is the death that bothers me the most. As I’ve been thinking about this, I’m realizing that it’s both a personal and a generational thing. Cornell had a long struggle with depression. As have I. As have many of you.
It’s possible that, along with grunge, Generation X’s other great gift to society is depression. I mean, of course it was here long before the Baby Boomers started re-producing, but we talk about it more than those who came before us. We talk about it as a demon or a monster. It’s a dark shadow that shows itself at any point in time without warning. It surrounds us, isolates us, and quiets us. Depression likes to blame things. We feel like shit because of mistakes we have made in life or because of the state of the world or because we aren’t perfect. Without a lot of help and a lot of work, it’s impossible to know that it really is a chemical imbalance in our brains. After twenty-plus years of trying to de-stigmatize depression, some of us still have a hard time recognizing it for what it is. And even then, it doesn’t always matter.
You might think grunge is about anger, but that’s not completely true. Yes, it can sound that way, but it’s really about depression and cynicism. Those two go hand-in-hand, along with their nasty little sister, anxiety. When the three of them get going, they just eat hope as quickly as it can be summoned. That leaves despair and despair is exhausting, not just for those who experience it, but for the people around it as well. So we keep it to ourselves because we don’t want to be a burden. And then it gets to be too much. Doesn’t matter if you’re a student, a mom, an accountant or a rock star. It doesn’t matter if you’ve written about it your entire life as a means of keeping it at bay. It doesn’t matter if the music you made about it brought in fame, respect and millions of dollars. It doesn’t matter if your entire generation has suffered from it. Depression makes you feel totally alone. You hit the breaking point, and then, like Chris Cornell, you hang yourself in the bathroom.
This wasn’t a young adult taking the easy way out because life got too hard. This wasn’t a spoiled, petulant rock star who thought that this was the best way to ensure his legend. This was a well-respected member of his community; a beloved musical hero who seemed to have it all together.
This could have been any of us. And brothers and sisters, if it’s you, don’t mess around with it. Please find some help.
Cornell is speaking to us all one last time. This isn’t something we left behind with our twenties. This isn’t something cured by age or financial security. This isn’t something you “outgrow.” If it’s allowed to fester, depression is stronger than wisdom. Depression is insidious and tenacious. Depression can get to anybody. It can make you feel like an old man at 27. It can make you feel lost as a child at 52.
Call it a senseless tragedy. Call it a second-act cautionary tale. Call it whatever you want. Just don’t blow it off as meaningless.
Rest in peace, Chris.
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Re: scena grunge di Seattle
Un pezzo commovente.
E' stata -personalmente- una tragedia difficile da metabolizzare. Non tanto perché con i Soundgarden ci sono cresciuto e blabla, quanto per le modalità. Per il fatto che Chris ed Io ci conosciamo da più di vent'anni. E poi per il vuoto, per l'assenza. Niente è più incredibile per me dell'esser-ci\non-esser-ci.
Solo Staley per quando e come è successo mi ha sconvolto a tal punto. Ma su Layne dovevi solo scommettere l'anno. Su Chris invece...
E' stata -personalmente- una tragedia difficile da metabolizzare. Non tanto perché con i Soundgarden ci sono cresciuto e blabla, quanto per le modalità. Per il fatto che Chris ed Io ci conosciamo da più di vent'anni. E poi per il vuoto, per l'assenza. Niente è più incredibile per me dell'esser-ci\non-esser-ci.
Solo Staley per quando e come è successo mi ha sconvolto a tal punto. Ma su Layne dovevi solo scommettere l'anno. Su Chris invece...
Ruin has come not in fire nor in ashen rain
Only in turgid silence, hangin', flayed.
Try to lull us in before the havoc begins into a dubious state of serenity
Acting all surprised when you're caught in the lie
It's not unlike you
Only in turgid silence, hangin', flayed.
Try to lull us in before the havoc begins into a dubious state of serenity
Acting all surprised when you're caught in the lie
It's not unlike you
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Re: scena grunge di Seattle
Bel post. Non conoscevo quel blog.AFX wrote: ↑21 May 2017 22:37 da questo post: https://thefirsttenwords.wordpress.com/ ... you-think/
E' riuscito a evitare di essere retorico parlando di temi in cui regna la retorica.
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Re: scena grunge di Seattle
Concordo con la classifica di AFXAFX wrote: ↑20 May 2017 14:45 per mio gusto:
01. Superunknown (capolavoro)
02. Temple of the Dog (capolavoro)
03. Down on the Upside (molto sottovalutato)
04. Badmotorfinger (sopravvalutato, la batteria metallica in quel modo non si regge, mentre in Superunknown era uno spettacolo assoluto)
05. Ultramega OK (sottovalutato perché poco conosciuto, era fuori stampa da molti anni)
06. Audioslave
07. Louder Than Love (sopravvalutato)
08. King Animal
09. Euphoria Morning
10. Screaming Life / Fopp EP
non classificati gli altri, sono tutti insufficienti credo, tranne Higher Truth che è decente, ma noioso.
5 Canzoni più belle?
01. Limo Wreck
02. Mailman
03. Jesus Christ Pose
04. The Day I Tried to Live
05. Zero Chance
Temple of the Dog è bello tutto, è la migliore cosa mai fatta dai Pearl Jam
dico solo per Badmotorfinger doi provare ad ascoltare l'edizione rimasterizzata dell' anno scorso, qualche miglioramento si sente per la batteria..un po come per la versione remasters di Ultramega OK; le comprero' entrambe .
Re: scena grunge di Seattle
io comunque non riesco a crederci.
i Soundgarden, chi ama Tool, Kyuss, Black Sabbath e Led Zeppelin, li ama per forza di cose.
Voglio fare una vera playlist con il loro meglio.
Audioslave riascoltati: noia, non così male ma noia.
certo che le case discografiche non possono inventarsi molto ... raccolte, rarità, riedizioni... è già uscito tutto
i Soundgarden, chi ama Tool, Kyuss, Black Sabbath e Led Zeppelin, li ama per forza di cose.
Voglio fare una vera playlist con il loro meglio.
Audioslave riascoltati: noia, non così male ma noia.
certo che le case discografiche non possono inventarsi molto ... raccolte, rarità, riedizioni... è già uscito tutto
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Re: scena grunge di Seattle
Interrompo un attimo il flusso su Cornell e Soundgarden solo per ribadire che quest'anno le due uscite grunge-related che abbiamo avuto, Lanegan e Afghan Whigs, sono veramente ottime. A me stanno rimanendo, sono già a svariati ascolti per entrambi.
Mi dispiace molto non riuscire a vederli dal vivo a sto punto, varrebbe molto la pena quest'anno.
Mi dispiace molto non riuscire a vederli dal vivo a sto punto, varrebbe molto la pena quest'anno.
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Re: scena grunge di Seattle
Vero.
Di queste due uscite sto adorando In Spades, ma ho in generale un debole per gli Afghan Whigs.Tyler Durden wrote: ↑24 May 2017 11:21 Interrompo un attimo il flusso su Cornell e Soundgarden solo per ribadire che quest'anno le due uscite grunge-related che abbiamo avuto, Lanegan e Afghan Whigs, sono veramente ottime. A me stanno rimanendo, sono già a svariati ascolti per entrambi.
Mi dispiace molto non riuscire a vederli dal vivo a sto punto, varrebbe molto la pena quest'anno.
Lanegan mi sta piacendo di meno, ma il suo nuovo album è stata l'occasione per rituffarmi nei suoi lavori anni '90.
Re: scena grunge di Seattle
Le mie 10 canzoni, in ordine sparso
01. Limo Wreck
02. Ugly Truth
03. The Day I Tried to Live
04. Jesus Christ Pose
05. Fresh Tendrils
06. Mailman
07. Fell On Black Days
08. Pretty Noose
09. Tighter and Tighter
10. Head Down
e Superunknown è uno dei 10 album heavy rock più belli di sempre
01. Limo Wreck
02. Ugly Truth
03. The Day I Tried to Live
04. Jesus Christ Pose
05. Fresh Tendrils
06. Mailman
07. Fell On Black Days
08. Pretty Noose
09. Tighter and Tighter
10. Head Down
e Superunknown è uno dei 10 album heavy rock più belli di sempre
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Re: scena grunge di Seattle
Non mi ricordo più la storia. Era Cobain che li malcagava o che?
Ruin has come not in fire nor in ashen rain
Only in turgid silence, hangin', flayed.
Try to lull us in before the havoc begins into a dubious state of serenity
Acting all surprised when you're caught in the lie
It's not unlike you
Only in turgid silence, hangin', flayed.
Try to lull us in before the havoc begins into a dubious state of serenity
Acting all surprised when you're caught in the lie
It's not unlike you
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