Fifa/Uefa CALCIO

[simoirs]

Interessante commento di un Redditor sui soliti sospetti di doping nel calcio e nello sport spagnolo:

[spoiler]Another issue is that modern designer PEDs are more or less untraceable, according to this former 'dcotr' turned informer, anyway.

So it's not really the fault of the testing agencies. The fault lies with the culture within certain teams or leagues, which makes no effort to oust users and probably even encourages use in a lot of cases.

I mean look at Spain, Nadal, Ferrer, Barcelona, Real between ~2007 and ~2014. No way there were dudes in those dressing rooms totally oblivious to the fact that they weren't ageing, weren't tiring, weren't getting injured, and were consistently out-working every player or team they faced?

Then the whole Fuentes scandal breaks with Armstrong, the spanish government shadily stops him from releasing his documents regarding non-cyclist clients, and suddenly Nadal is top 30 of his generation rather than top 3 all time, Spain go out in the groups in humiliating fashion in the world cup, Xavi gets dropped, Puyol gets dropped, Messi has injury problems, and a team that was untouchable for 3 consecutive tournaments looks not only mortal but mediocre.

It's almost like Nadal, Xavi, Messi, etc aren't actually super human, they're not immune to the effects of time, they're not at peak physical condition permenantly, they just had some chemical help that maybe wasn't available to many of their rivals.

Not that I think it's a uniquely Spanish thing, I think it's everywhere, I just think the incredible success all at once around 2008 and the sudden drop around 2014 is the most clear-cut case of blatant drug abuse that we have. I mean Nadal is almost beyond dispute a heavy PED user - the dude is jacked as fuck, every aspect of his game relies on having more energy than his opponent, his success has always been seasonal, and his career has taken a total nose dive without any obvious reason for doing so in the last couple years.

With regards to the season thing, check this out: Nadal has been in 14 out of 20 grand slam titles, winning 11, in france/wimbledon (which take place only a few weeks apart). In the other 2 majors, over the same time period (2005-2014) he has been in 6 of 20 finals, winning 3.

Some may point to the surfaces for justification of that trend, but that's a tough argument to make - generally speaking hard courts are considered a sort of mid-point between clay (france) and grass (wimbo), so for someone to excel at both ends of the spectrum but not the middle seems odd.

What's actually happening seems to me to be more likely to do with his 'cycle'. You can't be jacked all year around - which is why PEDs are typically more popular for sports like boxing or MMA where fights are sparodic - so he juices to fuck for the biggest tournaments that he cares the most about, and recovers for the others.

Well, he DID anyway, until the spotlight was on PEDs in spanish sport, and then suddenly everyone started winning less.[/spoiler]

[toolipano]

sarebbe bello rivedere una sfida Juve - Inter per lo scudetto come ai vecchi tempi
Così la si smette di avere come rivali ste mezzeseghe della Roma che ogni volta, per un motivo o per un altro, si squaglia come neve al sole

[toolipano]

MAREMMA MAIALA!!!!

Quanto ha goduto Zanetti quando ha aperto la pallina del Bayern?

[Odradek]

In realtà sarebbe meglio se la Juve andasse un po' avanti, in modo tale che abbia la testa anche alle coppe. L'importante è che non alzi la coppa

Per me resta la squadra da battere in campionato. Partita male, ok, ma adesso sembra di nuovo una squadra solidissima, forse doveva trovare giusto la quadratura del cerchio visti i tanti cambi. 6 punti non sono niente, il campionato è lunghissimo, purtroppo.

[madsun]

Quanto ha goduto Zanetti quando ha aperto la pallina del Bayern?

[Pilgrim]

vabbè, è stato bello finché è durato.

comunque è il giusto prezzo per aver lisciato così il primo posto, la prossima volta non te li magni 3 gol a porta vuota, caro Morata.

vuoi mettere un Wolfsburg-Gent agli ottavi, che fascino ha rispetto ad uno Juve-Bayern?

per la Roma... con questo Real, se riescono a mettere un paio di toppe in difesa e recuperano un po' di forma, non è detto che sia scontata....

3 pere alla Fiorentina, hanno sempre un gran bel sapore.
Ah, per chi diceva che Mandzukic non è decisivo e Dybala è come Giovinco.....

[Totemto]

Interessante commento di un Redditor sui soliti sospetti di doping nel calcio e nello sport spagnolo:

[spoiler]Another issue is that modern designer PEDs are more or less untraceable, according to this former 'dcotr' turned informer, anyway.

So it's not really the fault of the testing agencies. The fault lies with the culture within certain teams or leagues, which makes no effort to oust users and probably even encourages use in a lot of cases.

I mean look at Spain, Nadal, Ferrer, Barcelona, Real between ~2007 and ~2014. No way there were dudes in those dressing rooms totally oblivious to the fact that they weren't ageing, weren't tiring, weren't getting injured, and were consistently out-working every player or team they faced?

Then the whole Fuentes scandal breaks with Armstrong, the spanish government shadily stops him from releasing his documents regarding non-cyclist clients, and suddenly Nadal is top 30 of his generation rather than top 3 all time, Spain go out in the groups in humiliating fashion in the world cup, Xavi gets dropped, Puyol gets dropped, Messi has injury problems, and a team that was untouchable for 3 consecutive tournaments looks not only mortal but mediocre.

It's almost like Nadal, Xavi, Messi, etc aren't actually super human, they're not immune to the effects of time, they're not at peak physical condition permenantly, they just had some chemical help that maybe wasn't available to many of their rivals.

Not that I think it's a uniquely Spanish thing, I think it's everywhere, I just think the incredible success all at once around 2008 and the sudden drop around 2014 is the most clear-cut case of blatant drug abuse that we have. I mean Nadal is almost beyond dispute a heavy PED user - the dude is jacked as fuck, every aspect of his game relies on having more energy than his opponent, his success has always been seasonal, and his career has taken a total nose dive without any obvious reason for doing so in the last couple years.

With regards to the season thing, check this out: Nadal has been in 14 out of 20 grand slam titles, winning 11, in france/wimbledon (which take place only a few weeks apart). In the other 2 majors, over the same time period (2005-2014) he has been in 6 of 20 finals, winning 3.

Some may point to the surfaces for justification of that trend, but that's a tough argument to make - generally speaking hard courts are considered a sort of mid-point between clay (france) and grass (wimbo), so for someone to excel at both ends of the spectrum but not the middle seems odd.

What's actually happening seems to me to be more likely to do with his 'cycle'. You can't be jacked all year around - which is why PEDs are typically more popular for sports like boxing or MMA where fights are sparodic - so he juices to fuck for the biggest tournaments that he cares the most about, and recovers for the others.

Well, he DID anyway, until the spotlight was on PEDs in spanish sport, and then suddenly everyone started winning less.[/spoiler]

Sospetti molto fondati, ricordiamo il vomito di Messi...

[madsun]

vabbè, è stato bello finché è durato.

comunque è il giusto prezzo per aver lisciato così il primo posto, la prossima volta non te li magni 3 gol a porta vuota, caro Morata.

vuoi mettere un Wolfsburg-Gent agli ottavi, che fascino ha rispetto ad uno Juve-Bayern?

per la Roma... con questo Real, se riescono a mettere un paio di toppe in difesa e recuperano un po' di forma, non è detto che sia scontata....

Ma insomma dai, obiettivamente...loro altra categoria, ma anche l'anno scorso vi davano per spacciati mentre avete lottato fino alla fine.
Poi certo, anche la prima pagina di Tuttosport di oggi è un filo esagerata:



e notare la gufata alla Roma

[toolipano]

Grande la Roma!
Insomma, una tra Alessandria e Spezia si giocherà la semifinale di coppa italia

[LaJoneserìa]

E pensare che questi dovevano distruggere il campionato. E invece ci toccherà vedere nuovamente la Juve trionfare.
Oddio...se cacciano Garcia ancora qualche piccola speranza c'è.