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Post by absent friend » 28 Jan 2012 15:19

È penosa, dai. Mi spieghi cosa le è saltato in mente di rappare?

Nel 2011 ci saranno una decina di album pop migliori di Born to die, se non una quindicina.

Non capisco il paragone con Kanye. Mica sto dicendo che non doveva essere pop mainstream.

Giusto per capire, eh, che per me - lettore - non è "uguale" se la rivista più autorevole pompa all'ennesima potenza un discreto disco pop o l'artista che a fine anno si merita di stare in top10. Mi pare un po' facile chiuderla con "vabbè, ci avevamo sperato".
Eh, ma se un artista esce con un singolo come Come As You Are e poi esce con un Avocado mica è colpa di chi ci ha creduto.
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Post by AFX » 28 Jan 2012 15:21

Io non darei per scontato che Pitchfork la stroncherà. Anzi.
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Post by Untitled » 28 Jan 2012 15:23

Non la stroncherà (perchè non se lo merita alla fine), ma non può neanche far credere a nessuno che sia un disco >75/100

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Post by absent friend » 29 Jan 2012 15:52

riporto questo per dovere, nulla più.

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Post by AFX » 29 Jan 2012 18:30

Quindi dici che Lana Del Rey conosceva questa canzone (senza ritornello)?
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Post by absent friend » 29 Jan 2012 20:17

Nono, ho solo riportato una voce. Interessante perché la melodia è simile e lo stile del canto, così basso e fatale, anche.

Ma non credo sia possibile. Anzi, non lo è.
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Post by Pilgrim » 29 Jan 2012 20:25

beh, però è un po' inquietante.
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Post by absent friend » 29 Jan 2012 20:44

Ho visto i crediti su discogs di Video Games. Non mi sembrano tipi da conoscere certe finezze.
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Post by Untitled » 30 Jan 2012 02:36

AFX wrote:Quindi dici che Lana Del Rey conosceva questa canzone (senza ritornello)?
No. Né mi interessa. Ma nel momento in cui ammettiamo che se le fa scrivere, parliamo di copywriting, ovvero di topi di biblioteca in salsa youtube. Ma davvero, anche se scoprissimo che OGNI singola canzone include campionamenti di qualche one hit wonder mongola..

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Post by AFX » 30 Jan 2012 09:36

Pitchfork 5.5
ecco le motivazioni... poi giudichiamo se hanno fatto marcia indietro o se ne escono bene

What happens to a dream fulfilled? More specifically, an American dream fulfilled, rags turning to riches with the snap of a manicured finger, kissing James Dean in Gatsby's swimming pool, getting played on the radio. This is a central question animating Lana Del Rey's Born to Die. Our heroine has all the love, diamonds, and Diet Mountain Dew she could ask for, yet still sings, "I wish I was dead," sounding utterly incapable of joy. To paraphrase Liz Phair, if you get everything you wish for and you're still unhappy, then you know that the problem is you.
Given the waves of hype and backlash over the last six months, it can be easy to forget that we're here, first and foremost, because of a song. "Video Games" struck a nerve not just because it was an introduction to Del Rey's captivating voice but because it seemed to suggest something as-yet-unarticulated about the way we live today. Whatever her intention, as a metaphor about disconnect and detachment from our own desires, "Video Games" felt frank, pointed, and true, and it had a chord progression and melody to match. The ultimate disappointment of Born to Die, then, is how out of touch it feels not just with the world around it, but with the simple business of human emotion.
The singer born Elizabeth "Lizzy" Grant may have made her mark with a grainy homemade video that brought to mind other grainy homemade videos in the indie sphere, but the slick sound and sentiment of "Radio", Born to Die's most straightforward statement of purpose ("Baby love me 'cause I'm playing on the radio/ How do you like me now?"), places it firmly within the realm of big-budget chart pop. Born to Die was produced by Emile Haynie, whose credits include Eminem, Lil Wayne, and Kid Cudi, and the album's impressively lush atmosphere might be the one thing that will unite its detractors and apologists.
The album's recurring themes ooze out of every note: sex, drugs, and glitter hover in the yawning atmosphere around Del Rey's breathy vocals. There are strings and trip-hop beats and bits of 1950s twang, and the melodies, assembled with assistance from hired-gun songwriters like Mike Daly (Plain White Ts, Whiskeytown) and Rick Nowels (Belinda Carlisle's "Heaven Is a Place on Earth") are built to stick. But for an album that aims for fickle radio listeners, many of its pop signifiers feel stale and ill-fitting. On "Million Dollar Man", Del Rey drawls like a highly medicated Fiona Apple, and "Diet Mountain Dew" and "Off to the Races" aim for chatty, sparkling opulence, this singer doesn't have the personality to bring it off.
The album's point of view-- if you could call it that-- feels awkward and out of date. Whether you take a line like "Money is the reason we exist/ Everybody knows that it's a fact/ Kiss kiss" with a 10-carat grain of salt is up to you, but even as a jab at the chihuahua-in-Paris-Hilton's-handbag lifestyle, it feels limp and pointless (unlike, say, Lily Allen's mock-vapid but slyly observant 2008 single "The Fear"). Still, the dollar signs in its eyes aren't an inherent strike against Born to Die: Even in the wake of an international debt crisis and the Occupy movement, it was hard not to fall for Watch the Throne. But that's because Jay and Kanye made escapist fantasy sound so fun. Del Rey's gem-encrusted dreamworld, meanwhile, relies on clichés ("God you're so handsome/ Take me to the Hamptons") rather than specific evocations. It's a fantasy world that makes you long for reality.
And speaking of fantasy: The conversation surrounding Lana Del Rey has underscored some seriously depressing truths about sexism in music. She was subjected to the kind of intense scrutiny-- about her backstory and especially her appearance-- that's generally reserved for women only. But the sexual politics of Born to Die are troubling too: You'd be hard pressed to find any song on which Del Rey reveals an interiority or figures herself as anything more complex than an ice-cream-cone-licking object of male desire (a line in "Blue Jeans", "I will love you till the end of time/ I would wait a million years," sums up about 65% of the album's lyrical content). Even when Del Rey offers something that could be read as a critique ("This is what makes us girls/ We don't stick together 'cause we put our love first"), she asks that we make no effort to change, escape, or transcend the way things are ("Don't cry about it/ Don't cry about it.") In terms of its America-sized grandeur and its fixation with the emptiness of dreams, Born to Die attempts to serve as Del Rey's own beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy, but there's no spark and nothing at stake.
The critic Ellen Willis once wrote of Bette Midler: "Blatant artifice can, in the right circumstances, be poignantly honest, and she expresses the tension between image and inner self that all of us-- but especially women-- experience." But Born to Die never allows tension or complexity into the mix, and its take on female sexuality ends up feeling thoroughly tame. For all of its coos about love and devotion, it's the album equivalent of a faked orgasm-- a collection of torch songs with no fire.
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