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Re: apples + oranjes = the Smashing Pumpkins

Posted: 21 Sep 2012 09:44
by Viktor Serge
È che non ci sono più le grouppies di una volta...

Re: apples + oranjes = the Smashing Pumpkins

Posted: 05 Dec 2012 09:31
by AFX
la rece di pitchfork a mellon collie redux, 9.3

Billy Corgan hasn't done a very good job speaking on his own behalf over the past decade, so let me feed him a line from the Greek philosopher Pittacus that would make a much better case for his legacy: "The measure of a man is what he does with power." In 1995, nearly every other band at Smashing Pumpkins' level was in some way turning its back on its audience: Pearl Jam had started their principled retreat from the spotlight; U2 and R.E.M. were deep within their stagiest, most ironic phases and making their least satisfying music to date; Rivers Cuomo was well on his way towards making Pinkerton; Metallica discovered nail polish; and, of course, Kurt Cobain gave up on life itself. On a much smaller level, even Corgan's eternal rival Steve Malkmus had just released Wowee Zowee, a record whose sloppy sprawl was taken by Rolling Stone as proof that "Pavement are simply afraid to succeed."
Given this mid-decade valley, it's understandable that the 2xCD Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness would be sneered at as self-indulgent. The Smashing Pumpkins hadn't made their appearance at Hullabalooza yet, so many were unaware the band had a sense of humor. Still, their reputation was played for laughs. But Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness turned out to be one of the most generous record of the decade. During a time when rock heroes were hard to come by, Smashing Pumpkins took it upon themselves to make a record that only teenagers could love and for many it was the only one they needed.
I suppose it's worth mentioning I was 15 when Mellon Collie came out and I would've told you at the time it was my favorite album ever made. Finally, I thought, here was our White Album, Physical Graffiti, or The Wall, but we could watch its legend being constructed in real time without all the received wisdom. It's true, a double album reeks of 70s-style excess that tries to edify its creators. It was meant as Smashing Pumpkins' monument to itself. But in the case of Mellon Collie, it was the only format that could contain the songwriting streak Corgan was going through at the time. Anything shorter would've done his fans a disservice.
This is not an exaggeration. Cull the 14 best tracks from the concurrently recorded The Aeroplane Flies High singles collection and you either have the fourth best Smashing Pumpkins album (behind the perpetually underrated Adore, ahead of Pisces Iscariot) or a strong third disc that would've made Mellon Collie the greatest triple-LP ever made. What becomes more obvious with time is that Mellon Collie, unlike its most common comparison The Wall, has no conceptual framework. There is no plot, almost no filler, and the organization of its two discs is iffy at best: The second song on the seemingly chronological first disc Dawn to Dusk is "Tonight, Tonight", while disc two, Twilight to Starlight, contains all of the ugliest metal songs. So Mellon Collie is a Smashing Pumpkins record that just so happens to be 28 songs in length, stunning in both its stylistic range and overall excellence.
This is perhaps the only Smashing Pumpkins record where they acted like an actual band rather than Corgan and his resentful charges. It's hard to pinpoint where the influence of James Iha or D'Arcy came into play (not so with the phenomenal drumming of Jimmy Chamberlin), but with the oversight of producers Flood and Alan Moulder, Mellon Collie was developed through protracted jam sessions and personal interplay. Siamese Dream, for all of its symphonic grandeur, was a fairly standard rock album and a solitary one-- nearly all of the guitar and bass parts were rumored to have been performed by Corgan himself. Meanwhile, Mellon Collie indulges in styles more associated with hermetic artists-- ornate chamber-pop ("Cupid De Locke"), mumbly acoustic confessionals ("Stumbleine"), and synthesized nocturnes (mostly everything after "X.Y.U."). And it does so while feeling like the work of four people in a room.
Mellon Collie's remarkable breadth is the best indication of Corgan's ability to let loose. You could pick five songs at random and still end up with a diverse batch of singles that would make a case for Smashing Pumpkins being the most stylistically malleable multi-platinum act of the 90s. Maybe it wouldn't sell as many copies, but picture an alternate universe where heavy rotation met the joyous, mechanized grind of "Love", "In the Arms of Sleep"'s unabashed antiquated romanticism, the Prince-like electro-ballad "Beautiful", "Muzzle"'s stadium-status affirmations, or the throttling metal of "Bodies".
The ubiquity of the five songs that did become singles overshadows just how idiosyncratic and distinct they were in the scope of 1995. Has there been anything like "Tonight, Tonight" since? Orchestral strings typically signify weepy balladry or compositional pretension in rock music, not wonderful, lovestruck propulsion. While "Tonight, Tonight" is now inseparable from its Le Voyage dans la lune-inspired video, that the music existed without its guidance only stresses the Pumpkins' sonic creativity. "Thirty-Three" was the final and least heralded of the singles-- where on alt-rock radio was there room for a slowpoke, time-signature shifting country song with phased slide guitars and shuffling drum machines?
"Zero" and "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" are the ones that riled up the older folks and, yes, the lyrics are pissy and juvenile and fairly embarrassing. That said, they're far more interesting from a sonic perspective than they're often given credit for. They're the songs where Flood's digitized production fits better than the saturated, analog warmth Butch Vig lent to Siamese Dream. They're basically new wave performed as pop-metal.
And of course, there's "1979", the one everybody can agree on. On a record that reveled in 70s prog and pomp without being restricted to it, it sounds futuristic. And while just as youth-obsessed as everything else here, it's one of the few times where high school sounds like something that can be remembered fondly. Corgan loves to stress how it was the last song to make the record, and while its chorus does have an effortless charge embodying the "urgency of now," it's the only Mellon Collie song that functions best as nostalgia. That reading is no doubt abetted by another fantastic video, but while "1979" is an unimpeachable song, the rush to praise it as an outlier does its surroundings a tremendous disservice. While Mellon Collie is the realization of all Billy Corgan's ambitions, most of the criticisms surround the lyrics for not being as personal as those on the tortured Siamese Dream. It's this way by design.
The terms "sad machines" and "teen machines" are interchangeably used during "Here Is No Why", a pep talk to the outwardly sullen mopes who Corgan urges to break free of either and ascend like its heroic guitar solo. "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" is notorious for its chorus, but teen angst doesn't fight fair; you need some seriously heavy ammo to resist it. The mudslide of distortion that ushers in its bridge leads towards two minutes of the most viscerally exciting music that Smashing Pumpkins produced. Then immediately after, the mournful "To Forgive" devastates with a personal detail that gives Corgan credibility in all of this: "And I remember my birthdays/ Empty party afternoons." This is the kind of youthful, inexplicable emotional whiplash that can result in an immolating hatebomb called "Fuck You (An Ode to No One)" being followed by a giddy proclamation that "love solves everything." It's clearly not a mature way of dealing with life, but that's only a problem if you somehow believe Mellon Collie isn't meant as rock 'n' roll fantasy. When Corgan declares "I know that I was meant for this world" during "Muzzle", it's your happy ending.
So, yes, most people who have developed a meaningful relationship with Mellon Collie did so in their youth. The question is whether you can get anything new from this in 2012. As with all of the Smashing Pumpkins reissues, Mellon Collie is giving: the Deluxe boxed set justifies its sticker shock by containing "re-imagined cover art, velvet-lined disc holder and decoupage kit for creating your own scenes from the Mellon Collie Universe," which is everything you'd imagine and thensome. There are an extra 64 tracks and only a few of them appeared on The Aeroplane Flies High, though most of these inclusions are demos or alternate takes, the sort of thing that should only be listened to multiple times by people who are being paid to do so, i.e., music critics and Flood.
But there is a way of hearing the same album differently as you refract it through your own experiences. "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" is rumored to have contained 70 guitar tracks; it's a wedding vow punctuated by Corgan snarling "youth is wasted on the young." This isn't meant to negate the intent of the 90 minutes that preceded it, it's a reminder of how Mellon Collie can communicate different things to someone who's 30 as opposed to 15. Revisiting it can feel like leafing through a high school yearbook-- not necessarily your own, just somebody's. And there's solace in how, for all of the navel-gazing that went on, the ridiculousness of it all somehow escapes you. What you wore, how you spoke, what you felt not so much seeming normal as just the way it is. You look at each person, thinking that they might hope to achieve the self-actualization promised by "Muzzle", to lose themselves in another person in the manner described by "Beautiful" or "In the Arms of Sleep", or to embrace their own awkwardness as a rallying cry like "We Only Come Out at Night". Those events were all right around the corner, as they are for just about anybody growing up, but when you're locked up in your room listening to Mellon Collie for hours on end, they seem as distant and fantastical as the album cover. When Corgan sings "believe in me" during "Tonight, Tonight", you don't have much of a choice if you want to escape.
I'd like to say "they don't make 'em like this anymore," which is true if you want to talk about rock bands who make double-LPs that sell 10 million copies thanks in part to lavish videos that air constantly on MTV. They do make 'em like this, in spirit, albeit very rarely-- 2012 appears to be just as hostile as 1995 was towards embracing the life-altering possibilities of classic rock or pursuing actual populism. It's no wonder Corgan is so agitated about the state of rock music these days, since his critics won. But every now again, there will be something like M83's Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming and Japandroids' Celebration Rock-- that get there in their own way and express what the Pumpkins did on "Tonight, Tonight", that "the impossible is possible tonight," as in right now. They have little to do with Mellon Collie except that they sacrifice being cool to show a deep respect for the way teenagers interact with music. When the world is a vampire, you don't want history lessons or a list of influences, you want fucking magic. You don't want lifestyle music, you don't want Our Band Could Be Your Life. You want music that you can live inside. Damn right Smashing Pumpkins shot for the moon on Mellon Collie, but only because they wanted to give you the sun and the stars.

Re: apples + oranjes = the Smashing Pumpkins

Posted: 20 Jan 2013 21:39
by absent friend
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Re: apples + oranjes = the Smashing Pumpkins

Posted: 28 Feb 2014 21:42
by AFX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3tV8n-CVnA#t=6033
adesso in streaming, questo è fuori di testa.
Live Stream Billy Corgan's Eight-Hour Ambient Jam Inspired by Siddhartha

Yes, it's actually happening: The Smashing Pumpkins' Billy Corgan's eight-to-nine hour "ambient/musical interpretation" of Hermann Hesse's 1922 novel Siddhartha is taking place right now at Madame ZuZu's in the Chicago suburbs. (Madame ZuZu's is the tea shop that Corgan opened in 2012.)


c'è chi non ha letto Siddharta. Ma è in ritardo culturale.

Re: apples + oranjes = the Smashing Pumpkins

Posted: 28 Feb 2014 22:29
by ninarena
No dai Hesse è così mainstream. L'hanno letto tutti

Re: apples + oranjes = the Smashing Pumpkins

Posted: 28 Feb 2014 23:06
by AFX
ninarena wrote:No dai Hesse è così mainstream. L'hanno letto tutti
appunto

Re: apples + oranjes = the Smashing Pumpkins

Posted: 28 Feb 2014 23:13
by simoirs
Ha messo su una pancia notevole.
Se non sbaglio poi non ha figli e un matrimonio finito prestissimo, epoca Siamese Dream, alle spalle. Non penso se la passi bene una volta uscito dallo studio.

Re: apples + oranjes = the Smashing Pumpkins

Posted: 28 Feb 2014 23:56
by absent friend
Macché ritardo culturale, se uno nn ha letto siddharta ha risparmiato tempo.

inqualificabile Bolly.

Re: apples + oranjes = the Smashing Pumpkins

Posted: 01 Mar 2014 08:18
by AFX
simoirs wrote:Ha messo su una pancia notevole.
Se non sbaglio poi non ha figli e un matrimonio finito prestissimo, epoca Siamese Dream, alle spalle. Non penso se la passi bene una volta uscito dallo studio.
pancia notevole è vero, non più Billy né Bolly, ma Belly.
ha avuto una compagna per molti anni, quella che ha disegnato la copertina di Adore.
poi sicuramente per cuocersi così qualcosa gli è successo intorno al 2001-2002. L'incontro con Maria stella del cielo, gli Zwan che se uno prende i demo erano un gran gruppo, su disco sono risultati quello che sono risultati… e poi dai, non ne ha più beccata una in pieno. Qualcosa gli è capitato. Ma almeno fa ridere, Reznor non fa ridere.

tuttavia questa cosa di Siddartha, totalmente non richiesta, lo rimette in carreggiata. è durato 9 ore e non si sono sentite 3 note (tre) ben accostate l'una dietro l'altra. Puro casaccio. True Potshot. Random Billy. Solo i Flaming Lips possono tanto, ma no… qui siamo oltre se ci pensate e se riprovate a vedere quella roba.


edit: Avrebbe cacciato il giornalista del Chicato Tribune (che è il giornale principale di tutto l'Illinois)
Trotter tweeted, “Just got kicked out of @Billy Corgan’s Siddhartha show bc Billy didn’t care for @RexHuppke’s column yesterday, according to publicist. Booo.”
He added, “Other media allowed to stay at @ZuZusTeahouse but I got the boot. @Billy is unhappy with Tribune. On bright side, I have 8 hrs of free time.”

Re: apples + oranjes = the Smashing Pumpkins

Posted: 22 Mar 2014 10:35
by AFX
Billy rilancia.

Big news on Monday involves future SP, but for today I’ll mention that we just finished mix of LetMeGiveTheWorldToYou for Adore: Amazing!!

Si parla del ritorno di Chamberlin.